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Yanman.be · Apr 09, 2006, 03:04 PM // 15:04

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Originally Posted by Tookis Elite

i never use my ele. hes just a waste of space IMO

YOU sir, should see what my ele can do...THEN rethink your post.

( 55 uw, edge bomb farming, titan farming, ettin farming, FoW, SF, runner,..... )

Ira Blinks · Apr 09, 2006, 03:40 PM // 15:40

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Originally Posted by Yanman.be

YOU sir, should see what my ele can do...THEN rethink your post.

( 55 uw, edge bomb farming, titan farming, ettin farming, FoW, SF, runner,..... )

i have almost 3 mil xp on my ele and I support his statement.
Anything ele can do, other profession can do better. DPS, spiking, hexes, protection, soloing... you name it, and I will pull you build for other profession that does that faster and with twice less effort.

LifeInfusion · Apr 09, 2006, 04:07 PM // 16:07

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Originally Posted by Myodato

All those hoards of spirits that we'll be seeing are going to make charging into enemy formations very hard work. It seems to me that no class (even mes with Unnatural Signet) is going to be better at dealing with them than a good fire ele. You want to sit next to your spirits and taunt me ? Then you'd best be prepared to do it with a Meteor Shower landing on your head and a Fireball flying down yout throat.

Also, I think x/E looks better than ever. Rt/E with Wards ? How tasty can you get.

Um...Wardens can do more damage than fire elementalists with armor ignoring spells. And for knockdown, it is better as well. Most mobs have higher fire armor anyway.

I am making my Ele into E/Rt though... so I might be on the creation end of the spirits

0siris · Apr 09, 2006, 04:19 PM // 16:19

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Originally Posted by LifeInfusion

Um...Wardens can do more damage than fire elementalists with armor ignoring spells.

Obsidian flame ftw

Yanman.be · Apr 09, 2006, 05:12 PM // 17:12

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Originally Posted by Ira Blinks

i have almost 3 mil xp on my ele and I support his statement.
Anything ele can do, other profession can do better. DPS, spiking, hexes, protection, soloing... you name it, and I will pull you build for other profession that does that faster and with twice less effort.

I think the ele has become like a ranger, a jack of all trades...anything an ele can do, another class can do better...

Wards are ok defensively, but they're stationary..It's better to get bonds and aegis you see?

Damage dealer? Ok, but each other class can damage the ele.

Run? well I'm proud I can do the grotto "run", although my Obsidian Flesh doesn't allow me to "run" you see...

Ira Blinks · Apr 09, 2006, 05:15 PM // 17:15

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Originally Posted by Yanman.be

I think the ele has become like a ranger, a jack of all trades...anything an ele can do, another class can do better...

Wards are ok defensively, but they're stationary..It's better to get bonds and aegis you see?

Damage dealer? Ok, but each other class can damage the ele.

Run? well I'm proud I can do the grotto "run", although my Obsidian Flesh doesn't allow me to "run" you see...

err... so you agree or disagree?

Yanman.be · Apr 09, 2006, 07:11 PM // 19:11

I didn't quite understand what you said with: Anything ele can do, other profession can do better. DPS, spiking, hexes, protection, soloing... you name it, and I will pull you build for other profession that does that faster and with twice less effort.

I think I agree if you say that other professions can do stuff better

Da Cebuano · Apr 09, 2006, 07:35 PM // 19:35

I don't agree w/ that one statement about rangers and eles, Rangers are awesome at interrupts(the best at it, mesmer is arguable) and they are good for cripple and running builds. Also, rangers aren't that far behind on other classes specialist builds.

Consequent updates killed eles IMHO, I remember running eles earlier due to ether renewal and in pve for their AoE, now its pointless to go around w/ them, not cause eles aren't good, cause there are somewhat limited.

I'm thinking an rit/earth ele would be great, I dunno how but it would sounds like it has potential ^^

dansamy · Apr 09, 2006, 07:39 PM // 19:39

I miss ER.

Man, I used almost exactly the same skill bar for farming that I used in Tombs. It was great. Then people had to go and complain about ER being overpowered and anet nerfed the hell out of it. Then they nerfed aoe.

lilithschilde · Apr 10, 2006, 01:41 AM // 01:41

My primary Prophesies character is an Elem/Me, and I play almost all PvE. She deals the most damage of anyone in the groups I've played with, and is typically the last one standing if we get in over our heads (thanks to Aura of Restoration). So I'm not sure how you can think they're not worth it.

I have an energy pool of around 80 to work with, constantly get back energy and health while I cast thanks to attunement and Aura of Restoration, and can deal almost 100 pts of damage to a group of enemies without it being considered AoE and scaring them off, with a spell that recharges quickly. If I want an AoE spell I can meteor shower and cause around 800pts dmg to anything in the area. If I use Arcane Echo I can do that twice for a total of about 1600 pts of dmg.

Elem's can be crazy scary if you play them right.

Elena · Apr 10, 2006, 04:09 AM // 04:09

i dunno i like my fire ele Bringing Fireball, Imolate, Meteor, Rodgorts Invocation as my damagers i never break aggro while still pounding on em like hell

Mordakai · Apr 10, 2006, 02:11 PM // 14:11

IMO: No, Ele's aren't worth a PvE spot (except for playing with dolls)

Ensign · Apr 10, 2006, 08:16 PM // 20:16

How are you getting 800 damage out of a Meteor Shower? Farming Charr?

I still think earth guys will be fun, but that's as a defense / offense hybrid.

Peace,
-CxE

Phaern Majes · Apr 10, 2006, 08:52 PM // 20:52

Well aight, the thing I like about my Ranger is I can go anywhere with him and usually find a way to solo. It may very well be a bit slower then other classes, but I don't have to use 3 separate character slots just so I can farm everywhere. I can solo Perdition Rock (not everything but a good majority), I can Ettin farm, I can IDS farm, I can duo UW with an ele. Pretty much where ever I go, I can find a build.

I'm just posting that because someone said Rangers are like Ele's. So if ele's can do all that only using 1 character slot, then they are not useless in my opinion.

lilithschilde · Apr 10, 2006, 09:01 PM // 21:01

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Originally Posted by Ensign

How are you getting 800 damage out of a Meteor Shower? Farming Charr?

Multiplication:

Create a Meteor Shower at target foe's location. For 9 seconds, foes adjacent to that location are struck for 91 fire damage and knocked down every 3 seconds.

9 x 91 = 819

I'm aware that the description doesn't state that the damage occurs every second, but I have tested it (soloing and casting only that spell) several times and it is per second. 91 damage each second for 9 seconds is 819 points of damage. On Charr that would be 1638 points of damage over a 9 second span.

cookiemonkie · Apr 10, 2006, 09:12 PM // 21:12

Nope you are wrong on your calculation. The damage from meteor shower is dealth every time they are knocked down. Only 4 meteors will hit foes if they are dumb enough to stand still. In PvE the knockdowns keep enemies in place for the most part. Now if you echo or renew meteor shower... Otherwise meteor shower is hardly godly as anyone can avoid being hit by the second time unless slowed down or blocked in.

Allmightybob · Apr 11, 2006, 03:35 AM // 03:35

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Originally Posted by lilithschilde

Multiplication:

Create a Meteor Shower at target foe's location. For 9 seconds, foes adjacent to that location are struck for 91 fire damage and knocked down every 3 seconds.

9 x 91 = 819

I'm aware that the description doesn't state that the damage occurs every second, but I have tested it (soloing and casting only that spell) several times and it is per second. 91 damage each second for 9 seconds is 819 points of damage. On Charr that would be 1638 points of damage over a 9 second span.

The damage occurs every 3 seconds with the knockdown. Test it again.

Xpl0iter · Apr 11, 2006, 04:20 AM // 04:20

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

Just cause of the fire AoE nerf, everybody has been complaining. I've been playing an air elementalist in PvE forever (before the nerf). They are still very effective (1.1 million experience can't be wrong

).

1.7 mil exp ele here, your doing a per foe damage, not a group of foes damage. ask people to take you with them, they will let you know that they seek a faster killer who kills alot of foes right away.

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Originally Posted by dreamhunk

the thing is anet from the start made the elemenatal class to be the mass damage dealer. It is far from that now.

/agreed

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Originally Posted by Str0b0

Perhaps that was the original intent but now it's time to adapt. they put the other elements in there to give some flexibility to the class. If they just wanted mass damage all the spells would be fire magic. I'm just saying that now that AoE mass damage spells no longer have the same utility it is time to explore other options with the class.

I think i said it in some thread i posted yesterday or day before. Let the ele decide what they want to take with them while playing. You don't tell a necro to take death attribute, or curses, or blood. You spam for what you need. Example:
GLF: Battery Necro
GLF: MM
GLF: SS nuker.

I have yet to see in PVE:
GLF: ELE tank, warder.
GLF: HYDRO ELE
GLF: ELE spiker

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Originally Posted by Ensign

Earth eles are a bit more effective in Factions than in Phophecies, and Spiteful Spirit will only be imported into Cantha. As a hybrid defensive / offensive character earth elementalists should be attractive. Fire elementalists are going to be complete garbage in factions though, if you want to go that route you're better off doing most of the prophecies content first.

Peace,
-CxE

Couldn't have said better my self.

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Originally Posted by Da Cebuano

Its sad about eles though, Fun class, but simply not worth it atm. Maybe they'll thrive w/ subsequent updates, but yeah, even in pve, high end monsters tend to be fire based = useless fire ele. Air ele is I dunno, great single target dmg but w/ exhaustion cost. Earth ele FTW, although I'll probly have to sell my millius pillar to someone, probly wont be needing it at all.

I remember helping my guildies with ring of fire and missions, found titans. All i had to do was to switch my secondary to ranger, and take winter. I am not an ele who depends my entire build on arcane echo in pve. i can be quite versatile in damaging if ever asked for. and mind you, winter with level 9 is quite nice. fire 16, and rest dumped into mana. i dont care if i got 60 mana, or 90, i can do damage without loosing much, thanks to attunements.
Be self sufficient when going against fire based foes with fire damage skills. winter is ur love. Have seen people yelling for rangers to come with winter. I just laugh.

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Originally Posted by Torric Icefist

Obsidian flame ftw

Pvp or pve?

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Originally Posted by lilithschilde

I have an energy pool of around 80 to work with, constantly get back energy and health while I cast thanks to attunement and Aura of Restoration, and can deal almost 100 pts of damage to a group of enemies without it being considered AoE and scaring them off, with a spell that recharges quickly. If I want an AoE spell I can meteor shower and cause around 800pts dmg to anything in the area. If I use Arcane Echo I can do that twice for a total of about 1600 pts of dmg.

Elem's can be crazy scary if you play them right.

Uh, did i mention that fire gets affected in presence of armour

and level 28 foes, or like aataxe, level 29 foes, with a fireball (supposedly damage of 119) minimizes to 32? Oh, and fireball scatters them too

.
Question, what fire skills are you taking any way ? foes scatter if any aoe damage spell is present.
That 800 damage makes no sense either. i could say, number of foes being hit at once, could be 3 foes, ending up with 300 each meteor per hit damage. i think it is 3 meteors at most that hit, havn't seen 4th one.

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Originally Posted by Elena

i dunno i like my fire ele Bringing Fireball, Imolate, Meteor, Rodgorts Invocation as my damagers i never break aggro while still pounding on em like hell

Try sf, or uw, watch how you scatter with rodgorts and fireball. These 2 are my personal favourite skills by the way, i still use them effectively, in presense of supporting skills.

I got no intention to repeat what i have said in other posts before, unless needed.

Regardz
An Elementalist.

Lady Lozza · Apr 11, 2006, 04:44 AM // 04:44

IMHO the fire ele will become a spirit killer. Should be a spirit kill in HA at the moment - just that people have yet to see the potential.

Daemon Dremora · Apr 11, 2006, 05:12 AM // 05:12

Ok i figured i would throw in my 2 cents. My ele is a E/N. He is very effective and i for one love the way he plays. I use him mainly as a support char and i have no problem with that. he is a hydromancer/minion master. this build is very effective seeing as i can slow targets down while my minions tear them apart. i built him right after the aoe nerf when fire eles lost alot of their popularity. everyone was freaking out and i was like, hey why not try something not alot of people have heard of. so my ele was born and became very popular among my friends. there is nothing better then watching a horde of minions running at the enemy while i sit back and watch the destruction.